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with the new state immigration laws.
Pls, curious canadian wants to know

really, noone wants to help me out with this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_SB_1070

Seems like they amended it so that it can only be enforced when someone is under investigation for a crime (i.e. they can't stop you randomly and check if you have your documents, but they can ask you for them if you so much as run a stop sign and they pull you over to give you a ticket for that). Fines and jail time got cut down considerably, especially for first time offenders. Also, the investigations can't be solely based on race, though I don't know how stridently that would be adhered to, or how you could even make sure it's followed...

It's complicated. Basic idea: the Obama administration sued and got an injunction against the worst parts of thelaw. That means theyrenot thrown out but they can't enforce them.

i've been asked a hundred times for id by police when i wasnt doing anything wrong...just being fly. i guess i see the point that cops shouldnt be going around shooting fish in a barrel by ask every mexican-looking person for papers. but if some dudes are loitering in a parking lot and a cop roles through and asks for ids (like they've done to me in the past - and im white) and they aint got papers...fuck em. right?

i dont really get it. i gotta carry my id around. if you got papers, keep em on you. if you dont, be stealthier and dont go to the mall dumby.

is anything i said not accurate? cuz i dont really get it either.

"fuck em. right?" really? hope that's sarcasm. I walk my dog without my wallet, I'd be fucking furious if I got picked up and put through the whole immigration check for walking my dog.

Generally, you don't have to show the police your ID unless they think you are/have committed a crime. I know some courts have said asking for ID does not constitute a seizure, but I'd guess that most state laws are similar to Colorado's, wherein they have to have a reasonable suspicion before demanding ID.

You're under no obligation to carry an ID around unless you're driving a car/doing something that requires an ID or license.

The law, if fully enacted, requires immigrants to carry around their "papers" at all time. It's a truly demoralizing and disturbing law, reminiscent of totalitarian regimes more than an American state.

you sound white

makes more sense now. i didnt know what the actual physical papers were that they would have to carry on them. thought it would just be a kind of ID card or something. and i didnt know they could be thrown in a paddy wagon and interrogated if these papers were left at home. guess i didnt know anything about it at all...hence posting in "laymans terms..."

no need to get all racey, zhao. and when did you change your name to liability?

Liability is our requisite Native American Badass. He's kind of the polar opposite of Zhao.


Allowing state governments to worry about US citizenship is one slippery ass slope.

the problem is that this doesn't just affect illegals, it affects anyone who looks brown. You as a citizen of this country are not required to carry any proof of citizenship. A permanent resident has a "green card" that they carry, also temporary work permits are issued for those applying for an adjustment of status, but that's it. So when officer bitchass pulls you over for being too mexican looking and asks for your proof of citizenship what do you do? They don't have access to a database to check that bullshit. Instead you are arrested and then someone has to bring them your birth certificate to get you out. This is straight bullshit. I don't give a shit how you feel like about illegal immigration but what this does to US citizens should piss you off, unless you're an idiot like these fucks in AZ who don't think latino americans are "real" citizens anyways.

i think Soap gets that title, he's probably in prison right now.

in other arizona news, the state also did away with any concealed carry permit requirements. i celebrated by buying a bulletproof vest.